Kristy 0:06

Welcome to Unshaken, the podcast where unwavering faith is real life. I'm Christy, and together with my husband Tony, we dive into authentic conversations, offering biblical insights and sharing stories that inspire resilience, especially for families navigating the unique challenges of disabilities. Join us each week as we explore faith, family, and the journeys that keep us grounded in Christ. Don't forget to subscribe so you never miss an episode. Let's stand firm together. Hi, Unshaken family. This is Christy, and I'm here with Tony. Today I wanted to talk about something, I think it's one of those Holy Spirit tap-on-the-shoulder things. And when something like that happens, you guys like the first thing I think of is, oh, I really should talk this through with my unshaken family. So all of this to say, I want to talk about mentorship today. The situation that has come up for me multiple times this week. It's a season that I was in early in my career as an educator. I was teaching for two different schools at that time. And one of them was a small career college. One of the associate deans uh was a guy by the name of Thomas. And Thomas was somebody who I think he saw some areas where I was struggling, and he just had this really quiet way of showing up for me. He just kind of came alongside me and was very supportive. And he opened up all sorts of training opportunities for me. I did all the training that I could around becoming a better teacher. And there came a point where we had a weekly one-on-one meeting. You know, we were talking about goals and he knew that I wanted to grow. And what he did was allow me to do Dean's training while I was still a teacher. But what he said at the time was that, you know, when somebody is eager and willing to do the work, he wasn't gonna stand in the way. And I think for me, it was just the hallmark of his incredible mentorship, is that he just wanted to make a path for me to do what I was gonna do. What is mentorship? I think it's a good thing for anyone who might feel stuck or isolated or unsure of the next right step. It could be in any area of your life. For me, this is, you know, it was work. It was a leadership kind of a thing. It could be parenting, it could be a disability situation, it might be parenting in a disability situation, it could be marriage. Um, maybe you're gonna seek the counsel of an older wife or an older husband, you know, who who has kind of been there and done that. It could be about faith. It could be um, you know, a new Christian or even an established Christian seeking guidance from someone who's a little farther up the road. And that's discipleship. And I think there will likely be a discipleship episode in our future here pretty soon. But mentorship is for everyone. I think everyone can use a mentor no matter at what level you are in in whatever the situation is. And I think at some point in their lives, everyone can be a mentor.

Tony 3:32

I agree with all of that. I I think we have to be careful to make sure that we really understand what mentorship is and isn't. And for me, mentorship is about wisdom shared through relationship. We're not meant to do life alone. We are relational beings, we are created to be in relationships. There is wisdom in a shared relationship between a mentor and a mentee. Mentorship usually comes from, like Christy said, someone who is a few steps ahead of you, you know, of where you where you want to be. But I think most importantly, mentorship is about honesty, it's practical guidance. We're going to walk through something together, and this is gonna be a real situation that you may have to deal with at some point down the road. Now, what it's not is it's not control, it's not perfection, it's not about having all the answers, and it's not necessarily about a formal program.

Kristy 4:41

That's a good point and an interesting one. So some companies have like really well-established formal mentorship programs in place. I think there are organizations where mentorship just is kind of something that happens. I think about LHA League for nursing moms. You know, there's always gonna be somebody there that's willing to help. Even situations. Tony, I think you could probably speak to the Set Free Ministries work that you did, and there was so much mentorship involved, I think, in that, you know, with Grief Share and the men's group.

Tony 5:16

I was fortunate and honored by our discipleship pastor who had taken me under his wing, and we had established a rhythm of having lunch together every Wednesday. We would talk about what we were studying, you know, individually, what we saw in the spaces of Sunday school curriculum and things like that, because he was heavily involved in picking the next curriculum that the church would do is for all of our Sunday school classes. So he was very open with with sharing how he looked at that process and you know at times brought a couple options to me and then wanted me to weigh in and wanted me to say what I thought and what what I saw. Sometimes we agreed, sometimes we didn't agree. It was a process of just understanding how he saw and how he evaluated things. There became a need in the church for some very specific support groups. He knew you know my goals of of wanting to lead more and to grow in that sort of leadership role. He said, Would you do this with me? I'm going to give you the reins, so to speak, to really make these decisions. I want you to pick the curriculum for these support groups. And I want you to decide what support groups are gonna be most helpful in this first stage. I was so honored by that. Was able to really come back to him and said, you know, I really think we need to do grief share, but I also said I think this is an opportunity for us to have some support groups that some churches are are afraid to have. We settled on a a support group for mental health where we dealt with things like depression, anxiety, and th those kind of things. And then we also set up a men's support group dealing with sexual health, men trying to break free from the change of pornography. It was really rewarding to walk with him as we looked at different material and as we thought about how are we going to promote these groups and with these sensitive topics, and it ended up being a ministry called Set Free Ministries. That was my first real taste of of running a ministry that I was able to make the majority of the decisions about with his guidance and his mentorship. But that also came after about a year of having lunch with him every Wednesday. We had that relationship that allowed for that mentorship to happen.

Kristy 8:18

What I would also say is, at least from where I sit, it created some opportunities for you to, I mean, I would say to be seen as a mentor by a lot of people. I know you were leading teachers, you were training up people to lead those groups. And I mean, I I saw you really providing that sort of guidance and and support in the example of your mentor, which I mean, I think that's how, I think that's how it's meant to be, right? It's supposed to come full circle at some point. Some organizations, like the situation Tony was in, you know, will set up a formal mentorship kind of situation. In a lot of cases, I would, I would say probably in most cases, it's, you know, it's a more of an informal thing. There's peer mentorship. And that's something that I tried really hard to spearhead at the school I was just talking about. As a new teacher and as an adjunct instructor, I think as a part-time employee anywhere, sometimes it's it's easy to miss out on some of the cultural stuff in a workplace. Support and the fun and the things that happen like inside that full-time eight to five environment. I think it's cool. When you hire a new part-time teacher, I think it's great if there's somebody there who can say, hey, this is where you turn in your attendance. And when you get to your first break, like come have a coffee with me and let's talk about how it's going. Like it doesn't necessarily have to be, you know, someone at a different tier. It doesn't have to be an older mom or a senior employee. It can be somebody who's just been there a minute and can kind of give you some advice. And sometimes it's just a situational thing, I think. I mentioned Maleche League is a situation. That's something I was talking about earlier, where a lot of women have a hard time with a nursing baby. You go and there's people to give you that kind of support. And, you know, maybe you become close and it becomes a, you know, a mentorship situation for life. But I think usually in that kind of situation, they guide you through a stage where there's kind of a learning curve and you can really benefit from someone else's experience, and then it kind of falls away. And that's okay too. Any of those kinds of mentorship are really valuable. And I think most of us will have some piece of most of that in our lives somewhere.

Tony 10:51

I've been in all three of these sort of situations in one form or another. I spent a lot of time working in a call center environment. And once you kind of learn the ropes, you learn to just go with the flow whenever there's a new wrinkle that's added to the mix of a call center, because it ends up being the same sort of flow anyway. What happened in in that situation for me is one, I I learned from from peers, shadowing them, you know, when I was brand new to that, but then I also was given an opportunity, once I had been there for years, I was often picked as one of the people that somebody knew would shadow with. When you're in these, you know, seasons and you're in a a situation where it's a kind of a seasonal or situation mentorship where where you know it's kind of short term and and it's not gonna last that long, it doesn't make it any less valuable. Doesn't make it any less important even if it doesn't last that long. Mentorship doesn't have to last years and years and years for it to be valuable or for it to be impactful for your life or for your ministry or for your work or career. Those situations may be exactly what God wants for you in those times, even if it doesn't last very long, because maybe they're just a little nugget that you need to learn from this person that nobody else can teach you. They can. They come into your life and they're their mentor for that short amount of time, you learn something that just really sticks with you. So when it comes to just being a good mentor, Proverbs chapter 13, verse 20, walk with the wise and become wise. For a companion of fool suffers harm. Make sure that you surround yourself with those that are going to be good mentors. I really do try to surround myself, men especially, that are going to speak into my life and are going to help me get to the next level, whatever that level is is gonna be. What does that look like when you're what makes a good mentor? Number one, I think they're safe, but they're honest. There has to be a space where you as a mentee can can be vulnerable and talk about your weaknesses, and your mentor needs to provide that safe space so that they can know what that weakness is. The most important thing is that they don't hold it against you. They know what your weakness is, and they have guardrails so that you don't bump into your own weakness, and there's a balance because the mentor does have to be willing to tell the truth. Being a yes man isn't gonna help anybody. And I really do believe that a mentor has had to go through whatever it is the mentee is going through or the mentee is is looking for answers on. I can be a mentor to someone that is new to cerebral palsy because I've walked this cerebral palsy my entire life. So somebody that maybe gets cerebral palsy later on in life, like I can walk with them through those early stages and and what kinda happens and what what it means, what it doesn't mean, and because I've I've walked through that myself. A mentor is not there to be Mr. or or Mrs. Fix it because honestly, if we do that, then we we stifle growth at that point. Like we need to be able to allow for the mentee to grow into whatever role they're they're trying to grow into, and that's not gonna happen if if we're constantly there fixing you know whatever the issue is. You know, we have to allow for for things to be hard at times and to let things happen so that our our mentee can learn. We just need to make sure that we are not just trying to prove that we know everything, because we don't. If we're going to be a good mentor, we need to carry ourselves in a way that just produces the safety without sacrificing the truth that our mentee is gonna need. It's a hard combination. It's hard to walk at times. If we can learn to do it well, we start to truly reflect the character of Christ in in the way that we're both steady and honest. Because if we look at the way that that Jesus interacted with his disciples, he was extremely steady for them, but he was also very honest with them as well. We need to make sure that we are pointing towards and always working towards that kind of faithfulness where we're where it's not about us, rather it's it's about the one that we are ultimately following, which is Jesus.

Kristy 16:30

Your last point was spot on. I think all of this is important if you are the mentor. I think it's important to kind of be mindful of all that as the mentee. Because I think there are some situations where where a mentoring situation is just gonna be there. It might be that formal situation where there's like a program in place. It might be a situation where, you know, it's just a natural leadership type thing. But a lot of the time, I think as someone who needs mentorship, if we're going to get what we need, we have to seek it out. I mean, you don't just want to willy-nilly ask, you know, you don't want to ask somebody just because they're your buddy. You know, you want to really vet that person and and look for these things. You know, are they safe? Is this somebody that, you know, that I trust to tell me the truth, even when it's hard or when it's not flattering, or have they been in this situation before? Like I think all of that really matters on that side too. But also for the mentee, when you're in that situation where you're seeking mentorship, I think you need to kind of check yourself too. Because if we're not, you know, we can want to know, we can need to know, we can ask for answers. But if we're not gonna be teachable, ultimately, there's really no point. I mean, you're you're spinning your wheels. You know, you have to be able to receive information without getting super defensive, because a good mentor is gonna say, like, hey, you're fantastic with this and this. What I see is this, and I think that's something we can work on together. And if you're like, nuh-uh, that's I'm not like that. You know, what's the point? I think when you get guidance and leadership from a mentor, I think you have to be willing to take action on it. I guess mentorship typically isn't a theoretical thing. I think it's meant to be inline guidance so that there's a practical application like right away. If somebody gives you guidance and support and and helps to pave a way for you, you got to take the leap. I mean, you have to have that courage and you have to be ready to take that action. And I think probably the the last thing that I'll say about that is you also have to be independent enough that when your mentor gives you something, go work on it. You know, they're not gonna constantly be available. It's they're not gonna be like in your pocket. You know, it's it might be a weekly or even a monthly, or, you know, I mean, it might just be somebody that you meet up with at the playground with your kiddos, or especially in a more formal situation or a work-based situation, they're not gonna always be right at your elbow to ask the questions. So you, you know, you gotta be ready to convert what they've given you into, you know, into usable action for yourself and then take that action. Second Timothy, it's 2-2, says, and the things you've heard me say in the presence of many witnesses, entrust to reliable people who will also be qualified to teach others. And what I take from this, I love this because it's take this information from someone reliable and then pass it on, pass it down. We did, I think it was episode 11, was uh it was the Titus episode, your grandmother's prayers are still protecting you. In hindsight, looking at it through the filter of mentorship, I think there's so much mentorship just generationally in families, from grandpa to dad or grandpa to to grandkid, there's so much mentorship that happens over baking biscuits or brushing hair. I think all of those mentorship situations are real and they're valuable, whether they're place or just familial, you know, sharing of family culture.

Tony 20:35

When I think about generational mentorship, I grew up with with a mom and two sisters, and the image that comes to mind is seeing those three women braid hair, learning from you know, mom teaching, you know, the older sister and then the older sister teaching the the younger sister how to braid hair and and all that kind of stuff. Um so that's that's just and that's just really neat to to think about and to and to see every now and again. Um I think that what keeps a lot of people from a good, rich, you know, mentorship, you know, it comes down to pride. I'm sorry to say that, but that's that's you know what it comes down to. Teachability, like Christy was talking about, is not just about being willing to hear advice, it's it's about being willing to be shaped and changed by what you're hearing. The wisdom that that someone is is giving you and that that you're that you're hearing, it's a gift. You know, it's it's not you know, it's not just customer service. I mean it it is a gift that they're taking of their time and their talents and and their resources and they're they're giving it to you. There should be gratitude, there should be humility, and like Christy said, there should be follow through and responsibility. Respect and all of those things matter in a good, healthy mentorship. If there's any pride in any of that, then we're about to suffocate all those things.

Kristy 22:13

I think even the humility that comes from asking for help to begin with. Um, mentorship has so much to offer, but if you're so stubborn and so, you know, so bent on I will figure this out myself, you're really missing out on something rich and beautiful.

Tony 22:31

That's a huge barrier to good healthy, you know, mentorship. The pride piece of like I should be able to do this all on my own. Maybe it's the opposite. Maybe there's shame because you feel like that you should be more intelligent to be able to figure this out. There's a mix of I don't want to ask for help because then I'm seen as less, and so now you don't even try to get help with the situation because you feel like it's too messy, it's too broken, it's too, you know, whatever. And all that does is that stops someone from being a blessing in your life by being a mentor when you truly needed one. That can be really h hurtful because I I think in a lot of cases people are wanting to help to help you and and to be able to to provide knowledge, but if we don't ask, then how do they know? Right? Sometimes it's a it's a lack of access, especially in a in a work type of environment. Sometimes it's about get in, do your job, and then go home, and maybe there's not just a lot of opportunity for that mentorship, you know, in those situations.

Kristy 23:51

I think about the kinds of mentorship that happens in like a boys and girls club or uh, you know, a YMCA type situation, even in in schools. I here in our county, all of the schools have, if they all have sort of uh a marquee. And what I see over and over is mentors wanted, mentors needed, because there's a lot of kids who don't have, you know, adult role models in their lives. They don't have, you know, maybe it's professional role models, or maybe it's maybe it's even just life stuff, or somebody to talk to, somebody to to talk through those growing up issues with. That kind of lack of access is a shame because it doesn't have to be like that. Any reasonable adult is qualified to listen to a kid, to provide that sort of mentoring support. But there is definitely a lack of access because everybody unfortunately doesn't feel qualified to step up or, you know, may not have the time, whatever. Um, but definite lack of access.

Tony 24:53

Part of that is is gonna be ending up, you know, in fear. And so sometimes, you know, maybe there's a fear of not knowing how to ask. You may be honestly seeking, you know, mentorship, and you know you want you need a mentor and you want a mentor, but you don't know how to ask. So fear not wanting to bother anybody, or nobody truly cares or understands, or if I'm asking for somebody to be my mentor, then I'm admitting that I'm weak in this area, and I don't want to show off my warts. I don't want to show off my my weakness because then I'm gonna be perceived as less than. That can keep a lot of people from seeking them the mentorship that they need. When we can get to a point where we are willing to ask for the help and ask for the mentorship that we're looking for, that's the beginning of of truly moving to a place where where we understand that that that weakness, whatever that is, that's not failing. That's just something that we have to develop, we have to work on, and we just have to get better, and nobody's expected to be perfect at at everything. We're not. Finding mentors, the things that you're not good at, to me, that's an actual strength because you're willing to work on something that you know is not a strength for you.

Kristy 26:28

I think sometimes also there's uh if I want you to be my mentor, it's because I think you're cool. If I think you have something I don't have, you know, I think you have you, you're able to speak into me like that, which probably means you're already super busy and super committed. And I don't want to ask for that. I don't, you know, it's a gift, right? Mentorship is a gift of time and expertise, and it's it's like a pouring into. And sometimes it can be awkward to ask for something like that. I have nothing to offer you. Will you help me anyway? I think in that situation, and it may be that you just don't know who to ask, right? And I think that's where prayer can come in. God, help me find an opportunity, help me find the right person. Or I really feel like Joe is the right person. Can you help bring about a situation where I feel like I can can make this ask? You know what I mean? And God wants that for you, right? He wants He He gives us good people in our lives, He puts people in our paths to shape us and to guide us. That's part of His plan. It's part of His divine matrix where you know, where we're prepared and we're made ready for whatever it is that He has for us going forward. Um, He's gonna help you.

Tony 27:51

And sometimes too, it's it's also, hey God, if this is not the right person to mentor me, would you make that abundantly clear?

Kristy 28:01

Yeah, absolutely. Absolutely. I think, you know, when we're looking for a mentor, we need to be very careful that we're not fooled by charisma or a big personality or even just someone who's really nice to us. The person needs to be, they need to be equipped. Like it there's no point in asking for the time and attention of someone who ultimately can't help you. I think it's it's uh a good way to to test the waters, to um, to almost interview a person, you know, to look for that fit and to make the ask, right? Is to just start small. It's hey, I I had a question, you know, can you meet up for a coffee before work on Wednesday? Just wanted to run something by you and see how it goes, see how it feels, see how it fits. You know, maybe right there in that quick bagel breakfast coffee 15 minutes, maybe you set something up. Maybe you say, you know, why don't we do this every Wednesday? This has been great. Or maybe you realize I didn't know this person all that well and I think I got it wrong. And then you can say, thank you so much. I really appreciate that you did this and try again. Start small, you know, make a small ask and see how it goes. And be specific. I don't think it's necessarily fair to say, hey, Joe, can you have coffee on Wednesday? There's something I want to run by you. And then be like, yeah, I mean, I'm just looking at trying to figure out how I can get, you know, get some career growth. And, you know, I see you successful. Can you tell me how to do this? Well, no. No, he probably can't, um, especially over coffee. You know, so know what you need, know what you're gonna ask for. And maybe the relationship broadens, or maybe you're asking somebody that you already have a relationship with and there's a little more latitude. But if you're going to somebody that you're not necessarily super close with, go with a plan, go with a specific need in mind and ask. In the times where people have asked me for this kind of support, I've been very flattered. Like I thank you for seeing me that way. I would, I would love to share the benefit of my experience with you because it's a blessing, right? It's it's I mean, it's a gift to me that God has given me, whether it's the experience or the education or, you know, even the learning curve, even the the tough experience that taught me something, that's a gift. And so it's for me to pay it forward. That's part of his design for us, is, is to pay it forward.

Tony 30:41

When I think about mentors, I've been very fortunate in my life to have known some incredible mentors through the years. One that comes to mind, uh, his name is Darren. Darren and I have known each other for uh quite a while, and for a while I was a direct report to to Darren. Um, I did a lot of kind of tech work for the church that we were both a part of, and Darren was always such a great leader for me, and we had so many different conversations. I'm sure most of the time he he probably thought that I wasn't listening to him, but I listened to every word he said, and I took it in every single time. And one of the things that that Darren really taught me that really stuck with me was about understanding how to cast vision in a way that doesn't overwhelm people. Darren was so good about number one, wanting me to tell him my dreams for where I thought we could go with our systems, and he always said, I would rather pull you back than have to push you forward. So go out there and go do it. And then if I've got to pull you back, that's not a bad thing. I'll do that and we'll high five and we'll just know that like we just went too far, but I'd rather pull you back than have to say, Come on, Tony, we gotta get this done. There were so many times where I would go into Darren's office and be like, Man, I really want to do this, and he'd look at me and he'd smile in his way, and and he'd say, Tony, I get you, and he's he he would say to me, You're not wrong, but that's too big of a bite for the staff. If you bring that to the staff in our staff meeting, they're going to run for the hills, and I'm gonna have a line out my door begging me not to let you do this because it's too much. Let's talk about it and let's figure out a bite size, let's figure out like a step one and step two that ultimately will get us to step three where you want to go, but it's a smaller bite that I know that this staff can handle. You know, we really talked through that and he really helped me understand how to train people on new systems and new technology and you know how to talk about technology in a way that wasn't a foreign language, made me think about how do I say things in English so that people can relate to what they do in their own roles and also understand why this is important for them. Because if it wasn't important to them, they weren't gonna pay attention. So Darren was really uh one of the ones that was really info influential for me.

Kristy 33:38

I think for me, after I worked with Thomas, I went to a different school. And the program that I went into, uh, I mean, it was just amazing. I had the most incredible leader there. She handpicked a team. I went there and did my thing the same way I had always done my thing. It was just seen very differently. It was rewarded very differently. There were moments where I looked at my peers and I saw, you know, they were a little older than I was at that time. They held uh doctoral degrees and I didn't. I was a comfy clothes kind of leader, and they were business suit kind of leaders. And, you know, and again, and I think, you know, this is maybe human nature and maybe a little interference by the enemy, but I would get in my own head, you know, and feel like I don't belong at this table. Like these guys are they're so much cooler than I am, they're so much more professional than I am. And this leader that I had, her name was Lily. I will never forget her. And I remember her saying to me one day, I went to her and I was like, Lily, like I I don't even want to speak up. Like I just feel so, so inferior. And she said to me, she said, Kristen? She said, I interviewed dozens of people. I picked you because you're you. She's like, please don't do me and your team and this team the disservice of trying to show up as somebody else because you won't fit. You won't fit the Kristen-shaped space on this team. And that has always stayed with me that that my way isn't necessarily the, even if it's different, even if I'm the only one, even if I'm always feeling like I'm swimming upstream or that I'm the one in jeans when everyone else is wearing a, you know, a coat. My way is valid. And I'm just grateful. I've I've I'll never not be grateful for just for her support and her guidance there. This is the same woman who uh the whole team would complain about. Uh, we had Zoom meetings because we were all we were all over the country. And people would say, Oh, I'm not putting my camera on. Um, you know, I have bedhead, or if I'm not putting my camera on, I'm eating lunch. She said one day, she's like, ladies, I'm sick of hearing it. She's like, guys, you do you, but ladies, I want you to this afternoon, she's like, go to the mall, buy a red lipstick. Everybody looks good in red lipstick, expense it, and I don't want to hear about it again. She's like, you will have your cameras on. But she was just so good about helping people to feel confident in the version of self that God made us to be, and just empowering people to lead in the space where they were. I mean, I just think that's huge. It was just always such a gift. And having had seasons where I didn't have a mentor, it's just, I mean, it was just all the more valuable. I think in the season that I'm in right now, professionally, it's the first time in a long time that I haven't, I don't really have a like a professional mentor, you know, at work. And so what I've realized that I am doing is I'm leaning to Tony. I'm leaning to my dad. I'm, you know, um, I'm leaning to people that I, that I trust, other leaders that I, where I um appreciate and respect their leadership. And I'm asking, you know, asking those questions and finding the mentorship that I need in just sources where I wouldn't traditionally have found it in the past. And and I think that's a gift too. God, it may not look the way it always has, but He is putting really good people and strong leaders in my life to help me and give me that guidance. As we kind of come to the close of this chat about mentorship, I think a lot of people feel stuck. People, they're not sure what the next thing to do is. And in any walk of life, in any situation, again, it could be parenting, leadership, could be a marriage situation. Couples can have other couples as mentors. It might be a disability situation, but whatever it is, just please keep in mind that we were never meant to do this without guidance, that we were never meant to do this on our own. We're not meant to carry everything alone, and we're not meant to figure everything out from scratch. We're not supposed to reinvent the wheel. There's people that already have done that and can show us how. Tony, if there would you if you want to add anything, would you be good enough to pray us out?

Tony 38:10

Father, we we come before you today just thankful that you gave us Jesus, who we can always look to for guidance as to how to live our lives. And we're so thankful that you did make us relational beings that are not meant to do this life alone, but we're we're meant to to do it together. Help us to be humble, be willing to seek guidance from others that are ahead of us in some ways, or just have that little bit of wisdom that that we need to just continue to move forward. Give us the discernment to always recognize those healthy voices versus the the unhealthy ones. Give us the courage that we need to be able to to take the neck the next step forward and please put the people in our path that we need so that we can always be mentored, but then also put those people in our path that we are to mentor ourselves and pass on the blessings and the and the wisdom that you've given us to those that are around us that may be looking to us for that same kind of wisdom. Father, we thank you for the ability to do all this and we thank you for the ability to just come to you to always seek guidance and to always seek your face. And it's in Jesus' name that we pray. Amen. Amen. Thank you guys. Hope you guys have a great day and a great rest of the week, and we'll see you next time.

Kristy 39:56

Bye, friends. We love you.